| I've been lifting weights for as long as
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| | doing the latest (*recycled) muscle max
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| I can remember - Machines as well as free
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| | workout using particular pieces of
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| weights; and I believe you have as well,
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| | equipment, and they no doubt think that
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| at one time or another. While not being
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| | if it worked for Ronnie, then it will
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| totally hard-core, I do love the feel of
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| | work for me ( *There's actually nothing
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| iron. Looking back, I can remember the
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| | new in bodybuilding over the last 30 or
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| tremendous pump I received while using
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| | so years. Only the faces and the drugs
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| variable resistance machines, but it
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| | have changed). But anyway...Bodies are
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| wasn't long before I had my fill. You
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| | meant to move three dimensionally through
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| could say I was physically and
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| | space (which is what free weight training
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| psychologically burnt out. Basically I
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| | allows). Muscles contracting, balancing,
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| became bored. I needed something
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| | and stabilizing in all three planes of
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| different. Machine work wasn't
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| | motion (frontal, sagittal and
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| challenging enough for me anymore. So
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| | transverse). The interplay of all these
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| from a creative standpoint, I would have
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| | factors is what determines and creates
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| to go with free weights.As far as
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| | human movement. Lack of this interplay is
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| function is concerned-that's very
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| | what causes injury. When you take away
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| diverse. Leading fitness manufacturers
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| | your body's mobility - the ability to
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| would like you to believe that their
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| | stabilize and balance (which is what
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| seated exercise machines are functional.
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| | machine training does) you've got a
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| I've even seen marketing material from
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| | problem. You decrease your body's ability
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| some top equipment manufacturers
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| | to protect itself during those dynamic,
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| depicting professional athletes training
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| | rehearsed and also unrehearsed movements
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| on their so-called "new line" using the
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| | that we all encounter during a sporting
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| seated leg extension, chest press, etc.
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| | event or while performing everyday
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| Is that functional? If the answer is yes,
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| | activities. After looking at machine
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| then functional for whom? We all know
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| | training in this light; it really doesn't
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| that the activity will dictate the means.
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| | seem all that safe anymore.And you won't
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| And what you also know is that at least
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| | realise it at that very moment; it's a
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| 90% of all sports are played in a
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| | slow process. But eventually it will come
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| standing position - exceptions being
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| | back to haunt you. Machine training
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| rowing, kayaking and wheelchair
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| | causes movement pattern overload. Placing
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| basketball to name a few.When you use the
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| | unnecessary stress on your joints,
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| typical variable resistance machines
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| | tendons and ligaments; creating back,
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| found in most gyms or "life-style
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| | shoulder and knee injuries of all sorts
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| centers" you put your body in a position
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| | (I should know -trust me!). For example:
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| that doesn't even closely resemble how
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| | while using the seated chest press, your
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| your body functions or operates. Your
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| | transverse abdominus (part of your core
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| body doesn't like isolation -
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| | musculature) which initiates all movement
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| period.(quoting Carlos Santana - It's
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| | is basically asleep. Unnecessary loads
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| like fitting your body with a cheap suit.
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| | are being placed on your wrists,
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| It doesn't fit very well.) It's difficult
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| | shoulders and elbows, because you are
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| to find a machine that perfectly fits
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| | forcing yourself to train in a certain
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| over 700 muscles and 206 bones!But for
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| | movement pattern - Remember, your body
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| certain populations they probably are
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| | doesn't like isolation.Despite all of
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| useful in very limited doses - I repeat
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| | this, I'm not going to give machines a
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| very limited doses. For example: a person
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| | total thumbs down. They have their place
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| who is new to weight training, can't
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| | in a training program- somewhere. I've
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| control their own body-weight, and
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| | seen them in rehab settings for example;
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| doesn't like to perform body weight
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| | I've read that you sometimes have work a
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| exercises. This would be a temporary
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| | muscle in a isolated fashion to improve
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| solution. For the bodybuilder, whose
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| | it's function, and then integrate later.
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| primary purpose is to load a muscle group
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| | But it seems that something has gotten
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| with a freakish amount of weight and
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| | lost in the way we prepare our bodies for
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| volume to increase muscle size. Trying to
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| | sport/athletic movement. Something has
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| pump-up and "isolate" a muscle group -
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| | gotten misplaced between physical therapy
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| which we all know is impossible and isnt
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| | and bodybuilding. Ironic isn't it that
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| a testament of true strength - but don't
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| | the same machines (most, not all)
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| try to tell them that! Useless strength
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| | physical therapists use to rehab an
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| is what it is ( but that's no porblem if
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| | athlete are the very same ones that
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| your goal is to build useless strength!).
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| | create most of the problems in the first
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| But the name of the game in bodybuilding
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| | place! Then again, you can't blame the
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| is primarily aesthetics (appearance), not
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| | machine; it's just a machine, man made in
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| performance. If you are going for real
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| | fact. If anyones the blame, it's the
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| strength. Sheer overall strength and
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| | therapist, the athletic trainer! Another
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| power, free weights win - hands down.I
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| | analogy is this: Guns don't kill people,
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| still laugh to this day, because I was
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| | people do. It's a little extreme, but the
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| also sold on the same B.S. when I first
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| | message is the same.I think we all have
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| started weight training. Hell, all I had
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| | to make sure that we give everything it's
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| for reference were all those muscle
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| | proper place and know when to say enough
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| magazines. No offence to Joe Weider - but
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| | is enough (e.g. too much volume, too much
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| for years he pulled the wool over all our
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| | so-called isolation, etc).Like I said,
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| eyes! Laughing all the way to the bank! I
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| | maybe machines have their place in a
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| had nothing but chronic injuries while
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| | program somewhere; but you'll never find
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| strength training, performing pure
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| | them in any of mine (At least not in the
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| bodybuilding routines (which I thought
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| | traditional sense). A good cable/pulley
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| was true strength training back in the
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| | system is all I need (the Keiser
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| day) and play high level basketball. The
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| | Functional Trainer and Ground Zero are
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| two just didn't mix. Show muscle is not
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| | good examples). I can't imagine any coach
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| the same as performance muscle. But since
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| | or trainer telling me - with a smile on
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| I've become more involved with athletic
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| | his face, that their weight room injury
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| performance I've managed to se the
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| | rate is zero, while half of the team is
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| light.Let's talk about safety for a
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| | on the injured list and their overall
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| moment. First of all, everything has a
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| | athletic performance sucks! That's
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| certain danger element to it - certain
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| | nothing to be proud of!I'm not an
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| risk factors; weight training is not
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| | advocate of the sport safety for weight
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| excluded. I can imagine that some people
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| | room safety trade-off, sorry. I can't
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| have the idea that training with free
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| | count how many bodybuilders and athletes
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| weights is dangerous, when they hear
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| | that have fallen to machine related abuse
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| stories about some idiot being all alone
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| | injuries; myself included! Just out of
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| in weight room (no spotter in sight)
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| | pure ignorance. That's a shame, because
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| trying to bench 225, but is unsucessful.
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| | they're so easy to avoid.So you have my
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| Later to he has that 225 siiting on his
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| | answer. Use machines sparingly and at
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| chest, or even worse, his throat! All
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| | your own risk. Free weights - you can't
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| alone, gasping for air. If I was a
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| | beat the carryover (e.g. balance and
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| novice, and heard that, I would also be
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| | stabilization components), which is
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| scared as hell to lift free weights!
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| | needed in every sport. Then there's also
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| That's a scary scenario. Accidents can
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| | the creativity factor-the possibilities
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| and will happen, but a lot of them can be
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| | are endless. You can basically train your
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| prevented. Most of the time accidents
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| | entire body with two sets of dumbbells
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| stem from sheer carelessness. If you
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| | and build a nice one at that (for those
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| train responsibly ( i.e. proper form,
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| | interested in only aesthetics) for only a
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| having enough common sense to know when
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| | fraction of the cost of one of those
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| to use a spotter, and a reasonable load)
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| | multi-systems. You know the ones with the
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| weight training is very safe. Use common
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| | chest press/leg extension/ lat-pulldown/
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| sense, respect yourself and the weights
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| | leg-curl/Etc, Etc, etc. Name one piece of
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| the weights that you use and you should
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| | equipment where you can do so much with
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| be fine.Now the other side of the coin.
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| | so little.Free weights are definitely
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| Due to their fixed position and guided
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| | better.John Grady is the owner of A
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| movement, machine training is supposedly
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| | company based in Europe (the Netherlands)
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| safer. But In the long run who are they
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| | that specializes in Sport-specific
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| safe for? I catch clients all the time
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| | training and athletic development. John
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| squirming in their seats (compensating)
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| | is certified by ACE and the ISSA and has
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| trying to push 70 to 90kg on the chest
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| | more than 15 years of training
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| press or with a behind the neck press on
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| | experience. He has trained clients from
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| the smith machine, and so on. I literally
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| | all walks of life and regularly trains
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| see the beginning of the end, these
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| | and advises many amateur and professional
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| people just don't know what they are
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| | athletes in the areas of athletic
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| doing to themselves! And talking reason
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| | development.Hungry for information?Visit
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| into them is like talking to
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| | his website at and feel free to
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